Comments on: Fear of Commitment http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/ the weblog of Lionel Woods Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jon Paden http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Jon Paden Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:00:22 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-218 LD, "So then, what would be the proper verse to use or that would apply to dealing with something we did wrong?" My response: God's judgment is righteous judgment to bring about correction/restoration/reconciliation. When we realize that we have sinned and then procede to repent, we are judging ourselves so that we don't have to be judged by God. When we allow known sin to continue, God then judges/chastises us for our correction. This is what all of God's judgments are about. God does not judge just for the sake of punishment but ultimetly for correction. First, the Body of Christ is being presently judged/corrected in this present age and then comes the judgement age for all others. Consider I Cor 11:28-32 as it relates to God judging us in the present age for correction. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner[a] eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s[b] body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. Hope this is helpful. I do not intend on setting off a big dispute on the coming judgment (doubtful things) that might offend or harm some who are weak in faith. LD,
“So then, what would be the proper verse to use or that would apply to dealing with something we did wrong?”

My response:
God’s judgment is righteous judgment to bring about correction/restoration/reconciliation. When we realize that we have sinned and then procede to repent, we are judging ourselves so that we don’t have to be judged by God. When we allow known sin to continue, God then judges/chastises us for our correction. This is what all of God’s judgments are about. God does not judge just for the sake of punishment but ultimetly for correction. First, the Body of Christ is being presently judged/corrected in this present age and then comes the judgement age for all others.

Consider I Cor 11:28-32 as it relates to God judging us in the present age for correction.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner[a] eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s[b] body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

Hope this is helpful. I do not intend on setting off a big dispute on the coming judgment (doubtful things) that might offend or harm some who are weak in faith.

]]> By: Lionel Woods http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-217 Lionel Woods Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:40:25 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-217 BTW, I will let you chew, but I think given the context of the letter I think we can only go one way. Follow the thought, take away the chapter break and see who the writer parallels their "endurance" with (Christ endured sinners) BTW, I will let you chew, but I think given the context of the letter I think we can only go one way. Follow the thought, take away the chapter break and see who the writer parallels their “endurance” with (Christ endured sinners)

]]> By: Lionel Woods http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-216 Lionel Woods Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:38:48 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-216 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/30/galatians-5-fleshly-christian-versus-spiritual-or-redeemed-vs-unredeemed/ http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/30/galatians-5-fleshly-christian-versus-spiritual-or-redeemed-vs-unredeemed/

]]> By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-215 Bro. Lawrence D. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:37:07 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-215 BTW, how is Galatians 5 misused? Do you have a post on that already? My memory is failing me right now. BTW, how is Galatians 5 misused? Do you have a post on that already? My memory is failing me right now.

]]> By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Bro. Lawrence D. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:35:37 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-214 Somewhat. Let me chew on it a bit. I believe that there is room for both usages given the quoting of the OT text. "Scourging" would seem to be in line with punishment/correction for wrong rather than simply instruction. Perhaps it is a both/and rather than an either/or. But again, let me give it more thought. Somewhat. Let me chew on it a bit. I believe that there is room for both usages given the quoting of the OT text. “Scourging” would seem to be in line with punishment/correction for wrong rather than simply instruction. Perhaps it is a both/and rather than an either/or. But again, let me give it more thought.

]]> By: Lionel Woods http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-212 Lionel Woods Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:54:29 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-212 LD... that is a good question. Maybe James 5 or 1 Corinthians 11. But just like I think Galatians 5 and Romans 7 is misused I believe the same here. Whats your thoughts on the explanation I provided? Did you see why I disagreed with the common use of this text? LD… that is a good question. Maybe James 5 or 1 Corinthians 11. But just like I think Galatians 5 and Romans 7 is misused I believe the same here. Whats your thoughts on the explanation I provided? Did you see why I disagreed with the common use of this text?

]]> By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Bro. Lawrence D. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:49:56 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-211 That should read: "or that would apply to God dealing presently with something we do wrong?". That should read: “or that would apply to God dealing presently with something we do wrong?”.

]]> By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Bro. Lawrence D. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:44:20 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-210 Ok. So then, what would be the proper verse to use or that would apply to dealing with something we did wrong? (Other than God's ultimate "dealing" with the sin of His people which took place on the cross) Ok. So then, what would be the proper verse to use or that would apply to dealing with something we did wrong? (Other than God’s ultimate “dealing” with the sin of His people which took place on the cross)

]]> By: Lionel Woods http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Lionel Woods Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:40:10 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-209 Yes, your last statement. It wasn't because they did something sinful, but because God loves them and wants to instruct them, in the process He used the hands of evil men to accomplish this task (much like being appointed to suffer in 1 Thess and Philppians 1). So when I hear this quoted it is usually because I have sinned and God is discipling me for my sin, but I believe this text is saying this has nothing to do with what they did wrong, but for instruction and correction (much like we correct our heart when we run). Yes, your last statement. It wasn’t because they did something sinful, but because God loves them and wants to instruct them, in the process He used the hands of evil men to accomplish this task (much like being appointed to suffer in 1 Thess and Philppians 1). So when I hear this quoted it is usually because I have sinned and God is discipling me for my sin, but I believe this text is saying this has nothing to do with what they did wrong, but for instruction and correction (much like we correct our heart when we run).

]]> By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/10/fear-of-commitment/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Bro. Lawrence D. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:37:32 +0000 http://www.lionelwoods.net/?p=68#comment-208 Bro. Lionel, Just so I'm clear on your thoughts, your original statement was: "Lawrence D, what if I said the “chastisement” in Hebrews has nothing to do with “discpline” as correction but “discipline” as instruction" And the last sentence of your response reads: "it is instruction and correction not a spank on the bottom for something they did wrong." So does it have nothing to do with correction or is it both instruction and correction but just not for something that they did wrong? Bro. Lionel,

Just so I’m clear on your thoughts, your original statement was:

“Lawrence D, what if I said the “chastisement” in Hebrews has nothing to do with “discpline” as correction but “discipline” as instruction”

And the last sentence of your response reads:

“it is instruction and correction not a spank on the bottom for something they did wrong.”

So does it have nothing to do with correction or is it both instruction and correction but just not for something that they did wrong?

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