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	<title>Comments on: Has Justification By Faith Minimized The Immediacy Of Baptism</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Paden</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Paden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lionel,

You stated:
&quot;That verse alone shows us the great importance and why someone should never wait as if baptism is some ceremony, it is a proclamation of our identifying with Christ’s death and resurrection.&quot;

My response:
God is not interested in outward professions such as this but is interested in inward renewal that produces outward profession  by way of manifested fruits (love, peace, mercy, righteousness).  This is the proclamation that will result when one is truly baptised in the Spirit and communing with Christ (eating His flesh and drinking His blood/abiding in the vine/walking in the spirit/crucifing the flesh daily).  The fruits will proclaim for themselves.  Afterall, anyone can orally profess Christ and then get water baptized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lionel,</p>
<p>You stated:<br />
&#8220;That verse alone shows us the great importance and why someone should never wait as if baptism is some ceremony, it is a proclamation of our identifying with Christ’s death and resurrection.&#8221;</p>
<p>My response:<br />
God is not interested in outward professions such as this but is interested in inward renewal that produces outward profession  by way of manifested fruits (love, peace, mercy, righteousness).  This is the proclamation that will result when one is truly baptised in the Spirit and communing with Christ (eating His flesh and drinking His blood/abiding in the vine/walking in the spirit/crucifing the flesh daily).  The fruits will proclaim for themselves.  Afterall, anyone can orally profess Christ and then get water baptized.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Paden</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Paden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Javetta,

You stated:
&quot; I’m sure that he is not insinuating that baptism IS salvation but that it is certainly A VERY IMPORTANT component to it….maybe like a 1a and 1b??????????? I’m still wrestling with this, but I wanted to share my thoughts and get yours (whoever’s reading)…&quot;

My response:
In this verse Peter is referring to the baptism of the Spirit of God not water baptism.  He is simply relating the Spirit baptism with old testament types such as Noah and the flood and water baptism.  Some people tend to get this confused when reading scriptures in the New Testament epistles that speak of baptism.  Remember what John the Baptist and Jesus spoke of under the old covenant.  They spoke of the coming baptism by Spirit/Fire which seems to have first started on the day of Pentecost.  Water baptism is not necessary for salvation at all it was simply another old testament type/shadow of the coming reality which is now present with us.

Hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javetta,</p>
<p>You stated:<br />
&#8221; I’m sure that he is not insinuating that baptism IS salvation but that it is certainly A VERY IMPORTANT component to it….maybe like a 1a and 1b??????????? I’m still wrestling with this, but I wanted to share my thoughts and get yours (whoever’s reading)…&#8221;</p>
<p>My response:<br />
In this verse Peter is referring to the baptism of the Spirit of God not water baptism.  He is simply relating the Spirit baptism with old testament types such as Noah and the flood and water baptism.  Some people tend to get this confused when reading scriptures in the New Testament epistles that speak of baptism.  Remember what John the Baptist and Jesus spoke of under the old covenant.  They spoke of the coming baptism by Spirit/Fire which seems to have first started on the day of Pentecost.  Water baptism is not necessary for salvation at all it was simply another old testament type/shadow of the coming reality which is now present with us.</p>
<p>Hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Foulks</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Foulks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have hadthe same conversation with a brother from the apostolic faith as well and your approach is beatiful. But I wreste with this issue myself becasue I was baptize at 12 years old becasue I say others do it. But I was no more saved than a man on the moon. I Consistently wrestle with the notion of getting baptized again. I don&#039;t wrestle with my salvation but I wrestle with the intent of the baptism mush the same as a baptizing an infant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hadthe same conversation with a brother from the apostolic faith as well and your approach is beatiful. But I wreste with this issue myself becasue I was baptize at 12 years old becasue I say others do it. But I was no more saved than a man on the moon. I Consistently wrestle with the notion of getting baptized again. I don&#8217;t wrestle with my salvation but I wrestle with the intent of the baptism mush the same as a baptizing an infant.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Javetta,

That verse alone shows us the great importance and why someone should never wait as if baptism is some ceremony, it is a proclamation of our identifying with Christ&#039;s death and resurrection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javetta,</p>
<p>That verse alone shows us the great importance and why someone should never wait as if baptism is some ceremony, it is a proclamation of our identifying with Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Javetta,

I agree!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javetta,</p>
<p>I agree!</p>
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		<title>By: Javetta</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Javetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. So I&#039;m studying 1 Peter and ran across this verse (that I&#039;d never really paid attention to before):

18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Peter directly ties baptism to salvation and brings together the beautiful illustration of the Old Testament with that which Jesus accomplished in His own death. Peter says &quot;baptism saves you...as an appeal to God for a good conscience.&quot; I&#039;m sure that he is not insinuating that baptism IS salvation but that it is certainly A VERY IMPORTANT component to it....maybe like a 1a and 1b??????????? I&#039;m still wrestling with this, but I wanted to share my thoughts and get yours (whoever&#039;s reading)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. So I&#8217;m studying 1 Peter and ran across this verse (that I&#8217;d never really paid attention to before):</p>
<p>18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,</p>
<p>Peter directly ties baptism to salvation and brings together the beautiful illustration of the Old Testament with that which Jesus accomplished in His own death. Peter says &#8220;baptism saves you&#8230;as an appeal to God for a good conscience.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure that he is not insinuating that baptism IS salvation but that it is certainly A VERY IMPORTANT component to it&#8230;.maybe like a 1a and 1b??????????? I&#8217;m still wrestling with this, but I wanted to share my thoughts and get yours (whoever&#8217;s reading)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Javetta</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Javetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were you about to say HC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were you about to say HC?</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about to say Javetta 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about to say Javetta <img src='http://www.lionelwoods.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Javetta</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Javetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, let me clarify Alan...I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to &quot;complete&quot; or &quot;prove&quot; one&#039;s salvation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, let me clarify Alan&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to &#8220;complete&#8221; or &#8220;prove&#8221; one&#8217;s salvation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Javetta</title>
		<link>http://www.lionelwoods.net/2009/09/has-justification-by-faith-minimized-the-immediacy-of-baptism/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Javetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Alan I do believe or I am sure (to use the language of the question) that baptism is necessary :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Alan I do believe or I am sure (to use the language of the question) that baptism is necessary <img src='http://www.lionelwoods.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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